Isn't the snide text-book response to this question emblematic of the distorted society we live in today?

Question

http://blogs.bnet.com/stanley-bing/?p=268
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'Dear Stanley,

I recently interviewed with a company where the team was led by a woman and included five female co-workers. I am a man and my concern is that I would not fit in. Further, I have heard recent statistics that a high percentage of the population would rather work for a man. I work for a company now where it’s the good ‘ol boys: I can golf, go out for drinks, swear, etc. in a corporate setting. Am I setting myself up for failure by taking a job in a female-dominant setting? The reason for the change is 100 percent salary based.

Worried Walter

Dear Walt,

Hi there! Guess what? You’re a sexist! Congratulations on the fact that your disability has so far gone undiagnosed due to the environment in which you are working. It was only a matter of time before you were busted, and I’m happy to do the job. Your attitudes are very poor, my man. I’m not saying I don’t sympathize. It’s fun, if you’re a man, to work inside the cozy womb — if that’s the right word — of a gender-dominant group within a culture. But it’s like any other society where injustice is the law of the land: cozy for the guys in power, cold for those on the outside looking in.

Just for fun, here are some of the indications that you’re suffering from chronic Sexist Butthead Syndrome, as demonstrated in your brief e-mail:

1. You went out of your way to find out the gender composition of the department you’d be working for;

2. You believe you would “not fit in,” which demonstrates your probably well-founded feeling that you don’t relate well to women in a professional environment;

3. You cite some troglodyte survey saying that a “high percentage of the population” would rather work for a man. Any man? As opposed to any woman? Nice job of generalizing, dude!

4. You use the phrase “good ol’ boys” without irony;

5. You are concerned that a better salary would not offset the loss of golf;

6. Your conviction that “females” do not drink or swear. My experience is that they do both quite nicely.

At any rate, I believe there’s hope for you. You’re asking questions; that’s a good thing. You’re considering making a change in spite of your horrendous attitudinal liabilities. And the truth is, most men, particularly those of a certain age, have had to make the same shift and have done so splendidly. You’d be amazed how sexist attitudes eventually melt away when you are compensated well to have them do so.

I think you should take the job. You’d be surprised at how the number of your fellow trolls has decreased in recent years. You need to get with the new program, pronto. What you’ll find out is that women make just as good — and just as bad — managers and colleagues as men do. Sometimes better. Sometimes worse. They do tend to cry a little bit more, but that’s another story altogether.'
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First off I don't consider myself sexist - I support feminism in it's basic form - equal opportunities for women, and oppose female discrimination. However things like this get on my nerves quite a bit, I don't consider it feminist - merely a form of PC thought policing.
Note the way the response is issued, it's based on an assumption from the given evidence that the questioner is sexist - almost in a computational manner the answerer issues a text-book PC "anti-misogynist" response. The hallmarks of this are passive aggressive undertones, masked by patronising the questioner, the use of nauseating Newspeak jargon i.e. "gender composition", "professional environment", "Sexist Butthead Syndrome", "gender-dominant group" - cosy terms designed to appear scientific, but the majority derive from sociological pseudoscience.

So ultimately you have a man who prefers to work with men, probably set in old ways a bit, but fair do - is branded "sexist" for having a preference when it comes to gender. Many people like to choose whether or not their doctor (or GP) is a man or a woman - does this mean their sexist too? Should they be sent to the state correctional facilities for not thinking the way they should? Shouldn't workplaces promote diversity? Not just in terms of race, sex or sexuality - but progressive, libertarian, statist and conservative views? Isn't that being discriminatory - forcing them to change their ways like hive workers, conditioning their behaviours, and correcting them, like they're political dissidents?

I'm all for gender equality, and equal opportunities - but that doesn't mean that statistically on the whole, there are differences between the sexes. Male and female bosses do often work in different ways, according large professional studies, not my own insignificant experience. Does that mean I'm a troglodyte, are those studies "troglodytes" - Are the participants in the studies olms? Are they also sexist as well as blind?

I mean what the questioner is saying, is hardly that offencive, old fashioned yeah, but hardly enough to call h

Answer 1

No, I think it's a fair answer (even if the "butthead" comment was unnecessary). Anyone who cites vague "recent statistics" might as well just admit that they're looking for any evidence to support what they already believe. Women aren't another species - we make up half the population. Sure, men and women might work in different ways, but part of being a professional is learning to adapt to different environments and different styles. Someone who needs to stay firmly within his or her comfort bubble simply won't advance far, whether professionally or in their personal life.

Answer 2

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Answer 3

First of all, we have Walter, the fact that your worried about it now before you even start tells me that you wouldn't be happy there, so don't. Start looking elsewhere now, because you know you'll be doing that sooner rather than later.



Now as for Stanley, you clearly have the mind of an Academic. But, and this is a BIG But, your also trying to quote a politically correct approach to someone who clearly wasn't working on the same page as you. Worse than that, your trying to bludgeon us all with how clever and correct you are, even while admitting that the world doesn't work that way. I stopped reading your response, somewhere around the point where you told Walter to take a job he clearly had reservations about.

Answer 4

It's a ridiculous, insulting answer. Men and women are different and behave differently in business. I know because I've worked for women bosses and I've also worked in an all-female consulting firm. I had no problems but if if the guy has a preference, what's wrong with that? If a women said "I don't feel comfortable working in an all-male situation," I'd respect that. Why doesn't it work the other way?

Answer 5

It sounds like both the question and the answer were completely made up just to get ratings (or web-hits).



Consider Walt's question; no one writes like that anymore, and what corporation actually likes for its employees to drink and swear while on the job? Who could he possibly be working for, unless they just went bankrupt (for obvious reasons)?



The whole thing is a fake letter meant to stir up controversy so that people will look at the website (and you are helping).

Answer 6

I'm with Walt. I like to get drunk at work, swear at all of our clients, and then disappear to the golf course for the rest of the day when my boss comes looking for me.





Where the 'ell does Walt work? He must be a government contractor.

Answer 7

No agree with tracey. Women were actively barred from the workplace fo generations; certainly arenas where men proliferated, now we are entering professional spheres alongside men and it simply appears that sexist habits die hard and it is the competition men engender that they can't stand. Women, on the whole, simply want to achieve, have a career and the financial and personal rewards that go with it. The division of labour you suggest has nothing in its favour other than sexism underpinning it.

However, the only time I would consider all female workplaces is in the military, to demonstrate that women can be operationally effective without having to be constantly compared to their male counterparts.

Answer 8

You have here a professional writer who is trying to gain as large as an audience as possible in order to sell advertising space on his web-page.





Of course he is going to give the PC textbook response. He is worried about ratings, not about fairness.





And if the answer sounds formulaic, then bingo! As a writer myself, I notice that is is easier to simply copy and paste from something else than it is to come up with a totally original piece of literature on your own each and every time. Writing and editing is time consuming. Simpler to simply recycle what you or someone else wrote earlier.

Answer 9

It's not sexist to me.



If that's what he wants but I just see him as someone who just wants to goof off in work.



"I can golf, go out for drinks, swear, etc. in a corporate setting."



If I was hiring someone I honestly wouldn't hire someone who thinks it's ok to do those things while working.

Answer 10

This response has come from a man whose perspective on life was lifted from a NOW-LDEF educational poster.

Answer 11

If a woman is worried about fitting in a male work force, we throw empathy her way in gobs and gobs and if a man is worried about fitting in a woman dominated work force, well, he is sexist





yeah, that is typical feminist contempt...short of the full blown hate feminists are often famous for, but sometimes they merely throw scorn and derision at us, short of the full blown hate



and any expression of our feeling about being the object of regular ridicule by the pc police is termed more misogyny

Answer 12

That's nothing but an attempt to shame someone into submission, discredit their views, and silence a dissenting voice. Typical Communist tactics.

Answer 13

Its effing pandering to PC police and women.





Stanley is an azzhole.

Answer 14

No, I think it's a fair answer. If men are becoming "afraid" to work with women, then they are doomed to limit themselves professionally (and deserve the professional stagnation that will come with it.)



If men start coming to believe that the only way they can excel professionally is by enclosing themselves in an artificial bubble of maleness that increasingly doesn't reflect the real world, they will have no one to blame but themselves when they are shut out.

Answer 15

That "Stanley" character is a raving polcor fanatic.



Please tell me that loonies like that do not exist in real life.

Answer 16

I agree with Tracey and Mati.