Question:
Since boys are 50% more likely than girls to fail and repeat grades at very young ages in Elementary School?
MZT
2011-01-09 22:51:12 UTC
...and one-third more likely to drop out of high school, and twice as likely to be identified with a learning disability and much more likely to be given drugs such as ritalin in school.....Is the problem with boys themselves, the way they are being raised, modern teaching methods, or society in general?
Why are so many young boys struggling so much more today then ever before....something is clearly not right...what should we do to address it as a whole society?
Thirteen answers:
BE MY MAN
2011-01-09 23:23:47 UTC
I've been teacher of 3 to 7 year olds for the past 25 years so I can answer your first part of the question.



Little girls of elementary school age (I am meaning 4 to 7) mature verbally and emotionally much quicker than boys. Girls tend to favour activities that involve reading, writing and speaking at that age, whereas boys like activities that involve construction, physical activities and moving about.



Because school is structured such that children focus on learning how to read and write etc then it naturally falls that more little girls do well in tests at that age, than do boys.



Schools do also test children on physical abilities but the emphasis does tend to be more on the academic achievement of the child. Also, because kids of that age are not accomplished writers, tests in areas such as science, history, geography etc tend to be verbal, which of course means that the girls, with their more mature verbal abilities, give better answers.



Schools do factor this into the scores children recieve for tests at that age, but sadly you cannot fight against nature. Little boys are just not as ready for reading, writing etc as little girls are when they are in elementary school.



Boys quickly catch up in the years 7 to 11 and often then overtake the accomplishments of the girls at that age. However, it is true that if a child is made to repeat grades with younger children in his early years, then this sets up something of a 'self - fulfilling - phrophecy'. The boy sees he is left behind his peers, thinks he must be stupid, so stops trying.



In the UK where I am no child ever repeats a grade for this very reason. The classes are structured so that the teacher provides different work for each ability group of children. This might be up to 6 or 7 different work provided for one class for one half an hour lesson.



So schools do try to address the problem as best they can. But it is also up to parents to be working even more closely with their little boy to ensure he does not fall behind, given the inborn disadvantages his gender faces at that age.



As for high school kids, I don't know enough about them to answer.



More boys are given ritalin in schools because more boys are identified with ADD or similar disorders and diagnosed by their doctor. Few kids are actually given ritalin IN school, because it is such a serious drug and few Headteachers would be willing to take responsibility for giving a child a drug such as that. Normally ritalin is given to the child at home. If he/she needs it in school time then a parent will be required to come into school to administer the drug themselves.



Whether more boys SHOULD be taking this drug is another point entirely. Some kids it helps but IMO far too many children are just diagnosed with disorders and prescribed heavy duty drugs on the flimsiest of evidence. Too many parents have forgotten what it is to be a boy - to want to move and shout and play fight and NOT just to want to sit quietly in front of the TV. So they think their boy has something wrong with him when really he is just been a boy. Far too many children like these are then drugged out of acting normally like a normal 3 - 7 year old male does act!



Parents need to remember that the needs and behaviours of little boys and little girls are very different. Little boys are not just little girls with a penis!



Good question BTW!! :)



EDIT - Oh just to add, there is a biological reason why boys aren't so ready for 'sitting down and learning' tasks at the age of 4 - 7. They experience a massive surge of testosterone into their body at that age which makes them obsessively 'male', only valuing typically male activities. Presumably in cave man days etc, this was so that little boys, having been weaned off their mummy, would then focus almost completely on their father and male role models and quickly learn the survival skills they needed.



But it is a disadvantage for a boy in a modern society where that is no longer neccessary.

As the testosterone levels out (7 to puberty) the boy becomes more into the more 'female' activities of reading, writing, sitting down at a computer etc.



Again though, at puberty, testosterone kicks in again and a boy gets interested in sex etc, which takes his mind away from studies, which may be a factor in why boys fail more in high school. And also why both boys and girls do academically better in single sex schools at the ages of 11 to 18.
?
2016-04-25 11:47:39 UTC
Will your daughter be starting 6th or 7th grade in October? Those sorts of things did not begin until 7th grade when I was a kid, including school dances. Most parties that friends had that involved anything like that also started happening around that year. Even though I went to a 'middle school' that had 5th-8th grade in the same building, there was a huge difference between the 5th/6th graders (who still had recess) and the 7th/8th graders. I guess you could have the party but some parents (like the mom you mentioned) might have a problem with it. Personally, I'd wait one more year but maybe you could pull it off. If you invite a few parents, supervise things and don't allow any 'slow dancing' I think it might be ok.
True Blue Brit
2011-01-10 00:54:07 UTC
I've had two sons and two daughters. Both my sons are dyslexic.

I've helped out a lot in schools and I can see why discipline in schools used to be so hard. Boys are usually the disruptive ones in a classroom. Girls try to please the teacher, boys try to please their friends.

I do think the lack of respect for education hasn't helped. My daughters never had to be told to do their homework - they worked harder at their school work and were generally more interested in it.

As for the ritalin thing - I refused to give it to my one son and I've actually regretted it. I was told it would increase the chance of their using drugs, etc etc.

I think the reason why they are prescribed ritilin is why they go on to use drugs, etc.

I can only comment the enormous amount of trouble taken to help my sons. I spent a fortune on extra lessons, help, etc etc.

But in my opinion, the worst handicap boys have is our society itself, with it's emphasis on drugs, drink, and sex. Boys see this as how men should behave and most are too immature to make the connection between hard work and results. And by the time the penny drops, it is too late.
?
2011-01-09 23:53:25 UTC
That is actually a very good point.



Girls and boys learn at different rates. I think that boys have more learning disabilities than girls, but I am not sure.



I think that girls are brought up differently. They are taught to sit still and be "good" and boys are allowed to run around and be loud and "be boys."



I don't have kids yet, so I don't know if that is nature or nuture, culture, or what. I don't know if little girls 'naturally' sit still longer, or if they are reprimanded more for "misbehaving."



But if little girls are trained (and perhaps more inclined to) sit still and be "good" they will do better in school.



Perhaps boys drop out of high school more than girls because their parents don't encourage them to be 'intellectual' and finish. They are raised to 'do stuff' and when they perceive that they aren't good at 'thinking about stuff' they drop out.
anonymous
2011-01-09 23:04:40 UTC
Parents and teachers are far too indulgent.



In other countries they will just have to study and there are no ands and buts about it. Here, people just excuse them ALL THE TIME, which is why they can stay lazy. This is the reason why America's education is behind that of even many developing countries (where parents and teachers will slap you if you don't sit still or don't do your homework).
Nathan
2011-01-09 22:55:33 UTC
I think probably the teaching methods aren't doing a good enough job making school exciting and interesting for boys. Schools seem really into moralizing about what not to do, and trying to make kids sit still and read and study and they lecture a lot. I'm 26 now, but I barely graduated high school and didn't go to college. I was kind of a drinking, smoking party guy that liked having a good time, outdoor sports and cars. I'm still like that and wound up doing pretty good at a lot of things, I'm a car salesman now and a dam good one. But I was bored sh**less in school.
Tony Y
2011-01-09 22:57:35 UTC
You also have to figure is there more boys then girls in the world because if there is the percentages are always going to be higher.



Also the population has grown which in turn means more people which would mean the percentages would go higher. Although it is really staying the same.



So unless the world stayed at a constant who is really to say if it's gotten worse or not. It's always changing and fore ever will be. It's hard to judge something without a basis.. If there were always 100,000 people in the world then I would understand to start to point some finger.



But to me it's just the same as it always has been just with more people.



I feel as if the ratio hasn't changed. The population has just got bigger so the problem seems bigger but in reality it isn't.



Some call me crazy. Some don't we all have ourself beliefs. And that's one of mine.
Za Vas!
2011-01-09 22:58:06 UTC
A lack of proper incentive. Boy's often don't do things just because they are told to. When they are motivated, they tend to excel.
anonymous
2011-01-09 22:56:19 UTC
Young boys cant sit still.
Sho'nuff
2011-01-09 22:55:25 UTC
Because the whole "girls are at a disadvantage in schools" mantra is a total lie.
anonymous
2011-01-09 22:57:29 UTC
Lack of role models in the home.

No Dad, no role model
Ducky
2011-01-10 04:39:00 UTC
Its a mixture of everything.
Byrd1324
2011-01-09 22:52:54 UTC
the students and parents are not to blame. it's the public schools.


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