How will limiting the number of men in STEMs help women or society?

Question

In the U.S., feminists have proposed legislation that would limit the number of men that can go into STEMs.

1. Given that women are now free to enroll in STEM courses, how will limiting men, help women? For every male denied, will we see a woman magically choose STEMs over nursing or something else?

2. If we cut the number of males in STEMs down to 20-25% of current levels, will that benefit these fields and American Business? What will the effect of a 75% cut in the labor force in STEMs do?

3. We already see fewer males going onto college. If many males know there is a 75% chance they will be cut from courses they wish to study, will this affect male enrollment?

Answer 1

It'll help the feminists, that's for sure. Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome. Feminists don't get this, and feel as though everything should be 50/50 split in the male/female ratio of everything ever. That's not how reality works.



If they were to somehow prevent men from enrolling in courses that they want to take. They will soon move on to make sure that the standards are made lower so that anyone with half a brain can pass. They want women to reign supreme so they cut men from education so they can hold all the cards.



Since someone here blocked me, Kiki, I'll respond this way.



1: This isn't about limiting women, it's about limiting men. The point is that feminists are trying to limit the number of men that can take STEM courses, not the other way around.



2: The point is they shouldn't have to just because of their sex. It's all about the principle.

Answer 2

Obviously, it would help individual women get courses they want but otherwise might not have access too.



Does it help women generally?



Feminists would take the attitude that if you help women individually, you are helping women collectively.



But in the long run, doesn't this continue to "women always need help" line of thinking? Doesn't this basically mean that the system has given women inherent advantage and it is reasonable to assume that they NEED that advantage or they can't compete?



In the long run, it hurts women.



It only makes sense if you do it for a short term to correct a problem that will then stay corrected.



It only makes sense if there is sufficient demand by women for STEM positions that there is the belief that this would change the ratio permanently, AND that changing the ratio permanently is a good thing. Even if you buy the latter, the idea that women are going to change their desires coming into school is ludicrous unless you intervene at an earlier age.



So in the long run, all it does is hurt women.



In the short run, it obviously hurts men (and for those of you who don't understand why, you clearly need to take a look at the math. There are a limited number of educational slots. If less qualified women are getting educational slots and jobs over more qualified men, yeah, it hurts men) - but only in the short term as individuals.



In the long term, it continues the "women are inferior in STEM" attitudes that prevail both educationally and avocationally, and that hurts everybody, male and female.

Answer 3

I don't see how barring men from going into STEM programs would help men or women, but "threats" from the White House have not been implemented as far as I know.



Since gender seems to be an admissions issue, here is a possible solution:



1. College administrators can split each application into two forms, one with all the applicants' info, and one showing only qualifications and abilities. Race, names, gender and other demographic information would be omitted.



2. Tentative admissions decisions would be based on the redacted applications.



3. Both sets of applications would be combined, followed by a yes or no.



Demographics would still be present, but they would not be considered at the primary decision-making step.



At the very least, it would make for a good statistical study.

Answer 4

" If many males know there is a 75% chance they will be cut from courses they wish to study, will this affect male enrollment?"



Yes it will. In 2013 I was going to give MBA entrance in my country, hoping to get into a good university for my degree. I was hoping to go back to India for my further education.Then suddenly I came across this -



http://www.hindustantimes.com/hteducation/educationnews/more-women-join-iims-iim-a-registers-30-occupancy/article1-1241243.aspx

I read the same news last year. "Women Empowerment".



Anyone who says that merit hasn't been compromised can kiss my a$$. There already were enough quotas. Then they increased the number of women almost 3 times by compromising on merit.



I said good bye to post-graduation. I enrolled in distance MBA, but I lost motivation as it has no value. Thank you feminazis.



Currently men make 57% of graduates. In a decade due to feminism, they will make 40% like China, Iran and other neighboring countries, so that the feminists can brag about it.

Answer 5

What are the limitations? Do you have a link? What kind of numbers are you talking about?



The article you posted is very very biased and clearly anti-feminist and also political against the left - it offers no numbers. I'm surprised you would post such a biased link when you have criticized others for posting much less biased links.



If sexism is a factor holding women back as it is shown in the source - there is a problem. If the STEM courses want to remain independent, they better start addressing the sexism that exists themselves. How would you suggest they do this?

Answer 6

1. How does not limiting women, limit men?



2. That would not result in a 75% cut in the labour force. Men would not be denied access to all schools. They may have to apply to more than one school, as all students do.



3. They are not accepted into schools and cut. That's what you are implying here. If a student is not granted acceptance at their favorite post-secondary institution, they should have alternate plans, a plan b, in place to deal with the fact that you can't always get what you want. Sometimes you have to readjust. This does not hurt men to do what students have been doing since the beginning.

Answer 7

No. Stem this stem that, no one cares.