Sexism in STEM?

Question

All you have to do is google that exact phrase. You can find studies about women being paid less than equally or less qualified men, surveys about sexual harassment in STEM, millions of entries and articles of personal experiences with sexism (and you can even search of the non-anon authors to find out that they're actually in STEM!), entire websites dedicated to women's experience in STEM, and guess what? THERE'S EVEN A ******* STUDY ABOUT HOW MEN THINK SEXISM IN STEM DOESN'T EXIST.

You guys say "there's no sexism in STEM" and when almost every woman in STEM stands up at the same time and says "well, actually..." You shove your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalala! You're wrong women you're lying and/or shouldn't be offended" because you don't give a **** about women. Then you have the audacity to demand "proof" and discount and disrespect us when we don't want to hold your hand so we can point out to you what you refuse to see FOR THE TEN BILLIONTH TIME

You don't give a **** about women. You just want to be right. So seriously, **** you.

Answer 1

Subtle social concepts like "bias" are way beyond the cognitive scope of men. Try not to be too hard on them.

Answer 2

I'm not going to say there is, or isn't, sexism in STEM because I don't work in that field. But maybe these STEM men that you find so evil would care more about women's issues if women cared more about issues that affect men. Several weeks ago, I asked whether any woman in a position of authority had, in the last 25 years, done anything substantial to address discrimination or other issues affecting men. Not one person could provide an example.

Answer 3

No. You can't find studies (in the plural). All that's available is one study in which they interviewed scientists who are not in a position to hire anybody in the first place to describe who they would hire for a project manager job. The job was an intern-type job for a pre-graduate; and nobody in human resources was asked. All that could really be determined is that both men and women scientists felt that the male would be a better intern for the job. That is very different from the advertised headline that women are held back from being employed as scientists once they get their doctorate degrees.



And from our argument yesterday, I looked at the other assertions. And like everything else in life you can assert your feelings all you want, it doesn't mean that it's the reality. There are no sufficient facts to support your claims. It is really surprising that as a scientist you do not provide proofs for your hypothesis. That is kind of a red flag about how good of a scientist you might be, don't you think?

Answer 4

Yes I've read this stuff and I'm somewhat on the fence. I'd really like to hear what these STEM based enterprises have to say for themselves... what has led them to apparently doing what they're doing. I hear the screeching of injustice and maybe that screeching is correct. But what I never see is the company involved confronted and their explanation presented.



I'd like to hear it from them - not the Feminist interpretation of what's happening, because I'd trust a junkie before I'd trust a Feminist

Answer 5

You can look at an area of society and find examples of discrimination against males and examples of discrimination against females. Neither proves overall discrimination.



The problem with almost every study I've seen that supposedly measures women and men doing "equal"l work is that, well they don't actually measure equal work. The measure men and women in the same profession and assume the work done by men and women in a given profession is equal, which of course it's not.



Although the gap has been shrinking, women overall still prefer to work fewer hours, still take more time out of the workforce, and still tend to migrate towards easier jobs, even within a given profession. As long as men and women don't approach work equally, we will continue to see inequalities and of course feminists will continue to claim all such differences can only be caused by discrimination against women.

Answer 6

So any Google search results are sufficient proof of anything as long as the results align with YOUR point of view? Do you have ANY idea what a ridiculous assertion yours is?

Answer 7

Look, it has been proven that men, in general, are more intelligent than women. But I wouldn't care if it wasn't proven, to be honest. You can clearly see it. I am a woman, and I can see that people of my gender just aren't as skilled in things that men are, and you have to accept that. We were created to be different, and nobody can change that. Of course there are exceptions, but women and men are different, made for different things. Woman are more emotional than men. Even if we were in a world with no sexism, girls would still play with dolls and boys would still play with cars. That's how it is, and supposed to be.

Answer 8

why dont feminist realize what kind of assholes they are? seriously.



its not sexism when you are simply a hatemonger asshole being treated appropriately.

Answer 9

Your last sentence says it all about you, and about your "objectivity."



Congrats.



However, regarding your offer to **** me, I must politely decline.





Why do some feminists here in GS refuse to acknowledge nationwide, comprehensive data on STEM gender fairness, even if you post links of COMPREHENSIVE, nationwide studies that prove it (as I have, MANY times)?



U.S. National Academy of Sciences and National Academy of Engineers looked as ALL the outcomes data on women vs. men in academia in STEM disciplines. Not cherry-picked data, but ALL the data. Their conclusions, (see link and paragraph below), utterly crush their cherry-picked, feminist "data."



http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12062&page=1







"Our survey findings do indicate that, at many critical transition points in their academic careers (e.g., hiring for tenure-track and tenured positions and promotions), women appear to have fared as well as or better than men in the disciplines and type of institutions (RI) studied, and that they have had comparable access to many types of institutional resources (e.g., start-up packages, lab space, and research assistants)."





Some key findings:



1 - The percentage of women who were interviewed for tenure-track or tenured positions was higher than the percentage of women who applied.



2- The percentage of women who received the first job offer was higher than the percentage who were invited to interview.



3 - There is little evidence across the six disciplines that men and women have exhibited different outcomes on most key measures (including publications, grant funding, nominations for international and national



Update 3: honors and awards, salary, and offers of positions in other institutions). The exception is publications, where men had published more than women in five of the six disciplines. On all measures, there were significant differences among disciplines.



4 - Women were more likely than men to receive tenure when they came up for tenure review.



5 - No significant gender disparity existed at the stage of promotion to full professor.

Answer 10

medication time

Answer 11

Here we go "again".