Question:
Is estrogen one of the reasons women are becoming more successful?
edith clarke
2007-07-07 13:11:33 UTC
Someone said that men were more successful because of testosterone. (Biology being destiny, I guess). But women are becoming more successful, especially in education. Could estrogen be a reason, or is it something else?
Eight answers:
karen wonderful
2007-07-07 13:19:24 UTC
Estrogen has been with us since Eve. Women are becoming more successful because of the changes in the laws and in the attitudes of men. We are no longer regarded as property,except for a few neanderthal holdouts, and we are now freer to work to our potential.
∞ sky3000 ∞
2007-07-07 20:35:39 UTC
You really need to define successful. If you mean successful in careers, then it's because more women are in the workplace and are finally being encouraged to be there. It was pretty hard for a 1950s woman to be successful in a career.



I really regret that we have fallen into the definition of success from women and men. I don't think have two people outside the home, working 10-12 hour days and losing their family and any other identity other than "successful" is positive. Successful for who? Some greedy corporation which could really give a crap that our effective wage continues to drop while every day expenses continue to go up.
Ruth
2007-07-13 13:50:27 UTC
Woman have become more successful because they have more career choices today.It hasn't nothing 2 do with the hormone Estrogen as it has been part of our bodies for centuries. Today, couples require 2 incomes and men are more selective with their potential life-time partner. Would an engineer hook up with a woman whose career is to be a lifer working as a cleaning/maid. Not trying to insult a persons' line of work but, I was just trying to make a point. Men are impressed with successful women and vice verse..
sophieb
2007-07-11 22:04:26 UTC
in past years doctors used to insist that women take estrogen after menopause and take those pills for the rest of their life. Now they have found that it causes cancer so they have told women to not add to their estrogen.

I had also heard that the treatment after menopause was sometimes some testosterone and some estrogen so I can understand why women became somewhat tough. Of course, maybe by the age of menopause a woman has already become successful.
Mr Rashid
2007-07-07 22:26:28 UTC
That someone was me, although you haven't repeated what I said correctly. I asked: "Is testosterone a reason why men are more successful?"



So I said (or asked) "a reason," not "men were more successful because of testosterone." And I didn't say or mean "biology is destiny" so there's no need to guess.



I pointed out discrimination, and that women choose to have to children, and asked if men's supposed greater competitive instinct was another reason why men occupy positions of power.



It seems that you would agree if your answer to another of my questions is anything to go by. "on average, men are more aggressive in social behavior. It doesn't justify patriarchy, but it does partially explain it. So whoever was the strongest and most aggressive, was the "top dog"."



Wouldn't you conclude that this aggressive tendency in men is a "partial reason" why men tend to hold positions of power more often than women do?



To answer your question (slightly edited) "why are girls/women more successful in education?", I would say that girls/women are more diligent than boys/men. Young boys/men are far more likely to lose interest in their schoolwork and/or get into trouble. If the local bus shelter has been kicked in, it has no doubt been done by a young man. I would be interested to know whether pre-pubescent boys and girls perform to the same level or not.



If you're going to present someone's views/questions, could you at least be somewhat honest about it?



Lekmich: Yeah that's how you sidestepped my question, I remember. So are you saying there's only one effect of testosterone? Of course, it makes men engage in criminal behavior, but perhaps it also helps men be ruthless and get ahead in their careers. That was what I asked and that is what you didn't answer.
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2007-07-07 20:18:00 UTC
Estrogen has been around as long as humans have...so NO ..I don't think estrogen is the cause of women becoming more successful. Also...someone has given you misinformation....testosterone does not make men more successful ...it simply makes them more aggressive in pursuing what they want. I think women have just gotten irritated waiting on men to provide what they want and so we always knew that we could get it ourselves and ....now we do.
Nidav llir
2007-07-07 20:39:28 UTC
"But women are becoming more successful, especially in education."

I'm not entirely sure I agree with your statement.



How are you defining 'successful'?

Is it merely one's level of education.

I believe this is choice.

It's kind of like saying that if a woman chooses to work at a free clinic, she is less successful that some rich doctor.

I suppose you could say that that is true. But they are choosing that lifestyle and there is nothing wrong with that.

I feel you are being derogatory to those that choose a less paying lifestyle. People can sell their souls to become rich. It doesn't necessarily make them happy. But I suppose they can be unhappy in comfort.



I really don't think that estrogen has anything to do with anything here.
Nep
2007-07-07 20:16:20 UTC
or lack of... possibly anti-biotics or other medicines have changed people's hormones(hey, just a theory)... men are different as before also.

Women are having more heart problems too.



And women aren't necessarily more successful... they're just working now to pay for food and shelter like men did. Now economically, a household requires 2 incomes instead of 1. Fat unhealthy kids(from fast food), no family time, divorces outnumbering lasting marriages, is hardly successful.


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