UK: husbands legally killed. Is it Justice or feminazism?

Question

In Argentina, it will be legal to kill born babies.

In UK, it will be legal to kill husbands. Is feminazism being ustoppable?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/03/gender.ukcrime

Answer 1

It will not be legal to kill your husband. The defence simply downgrades the charge/conviction from ‘murder’ to ‘manslaughter’ which gives the judge a greater discretion in terms of sentencing.



It remains illegal to kill anyone (husband or not), the defence is an acknowledgement of a lesser degree of mental culpability for people in certain circumstances. At the moment these circumstances are ‘provocation’ which is essentially a snap, rash, unthought violent reaction and leaves little room for ‘slow burn’ type cases. As men are more prone to the former and women the latter, the defence is seen as sexist as men often get convicted of manslaughter and women, of murder.



The proposal is to replace provocation with the two partial defences:

# killing in response to a fear of serious violence; and

# killing in response to words and conduct which caused the defendant to have a justifiable sense of being seriously wronged (to apply only in exceptional circumstances).



It is a maxim in English law that you cannot profit from a crime. Therefore a husband killer would neither inherit his property nor get the insurance payout.

Answer 2

Am am impressed. Truely. You took an article arguing about a discrimination *against* women and showing a man gets a lighter sentence for killing his wife and this is unfair and use it to argue than men are being oppressed. That's quite a skill. It all falls apart if people actually *read* the article, but for sheer nerve... well done!



Actually, this article is proposing more equal justice, not feminazism. People is desparate situations can act irrationally. So it's not *quite* murder. Still deserves a jail sentence, but as they are much more unlikely to re-offend in this sort of situation, the sentence should be less than pre-meditated murder. And it wasn't proposing open season on husbands.

Answer 3

I don't beleive there can ever be any circumstances where it is acceptable to murder anyone. I think that women, like men should be responsible for their behaviour ragardless of provocation. It would be far more helpful to empower women to realise that they should value themselves, never accept violence from their partners, help women to leave violent men, the law needs to be strengthened in womens favour to give women the legal right and support to evict men from the family home. Police should take domestic violence more seriously. The courts should take the view that a man who has been violent should have no access to his ex partner or their children. Vulnerable women who find themselves victims should be helped, not excused as a way of making up for the fact that the system and society has let them down.

Answer 4

Lol! A man stabs his partner to death and gets 7 years for manslaughter on the grounds of PROVOCATION. 'Oh my poor ego! My wife fancies another man!' A woman kills her abusive boyfriend in self-defence and gets life for murder. I'll keep this article for next time someone mentions women get off more lightly than men!



What point were you trying to prove????



I agree though > this is definitely not justice. The man should have been given life and the woman should have been able to argue self-defence.

Answer 5

God I was just about to run out and marry my long term partner then! And then I stopped and read the article - god you got me excited then I was already spending the insurance money !



Premeditated murder should be murder whether a jealous husband or battered wife (if killed while sleeping etc) but if done under threat/self defencee then this should be taken into account and a lessor sentence given.



Jealous rages should always be counted as murder and never given lessor sentence, it is not an acceptable excuse in my eyes and an out dated concept as stated in article

Answer 6

No. There is a difference between a sane husband and an abusive husband. Under the eyes of a law, a husband is no longer declared human once he has lost all reason. It's also considered a form of self-defense and a human being can do whatever means necessary to ensure that he or she is safe.

Answer 7

What about the men that are allowed to kill their wives in Brazil do you care about that. Overpopulation is real but baby killing is wrong. Humans should stop having sex for about 30 years. But I do believe the law about equal force is absolute bullshit. Like the articale said a man punching a woman is a whole lot more damaging than a woman punching a man so therefore a knife comes in handy. A gun would be better.

Answer 8

The law change is down to issues of provocation...so women don't kill violent men now because we are frightened of falling foul of the law? Life imprisonment? 12 years perhaps 25? We have homicide laws, most civilised countries do..but women still die in domestic murders on average 2 a week!! So, men are not frightened of the consequences...certainly not life..."I killed her cos I thought she was cheating!" or "She nagged me!" Those provocations used to be accepted. The law means that women now when in fear of their life and they make the choice to defend themselves history of domestic violence and provocation will be taken into account, and the outrgeous male defense of nagging, or sexual affairs will not be. And if you think for a moment that this law change will be applied to a woman first you will be having a laugh! A man will use this to argue why he had been living in fear and had to choke her to save himself! Instead of reading the nonsense in the right wing press, ask yourselves if women resorted to violence having been victims of crimes from domestic abuse to rape there would be rivers of blood in the streets? Women do not kill men on the scale you are depicting...and when we do we have been punished way beyond limits of our male counterparts.



As for killing babies...check out what China does to little girls under the one child rule...but only human rights issues about Tibet and whether they sign up to climate change protocols! Change the record a bunch of hysterical misogynist drama queens!

Answer 9

Men and women and husbands and wives are killed every day-and some kill each other-don't see what that has to do with feminism or anti-feminism. But if you want to believe there's a feminist plot to kill men or women-go ahead.

Answer 10

Killing a baby and killing an abusive husband are two completely different things. If a man is violent then he is no longer a decnt human being and doesn't deserve to live in decent society.

Answer 11

Need to work on reading comprehension....



"long highlighted the contrast in treatment between men and women, where a man who kills the wife he suspects of having an affair is convicted of manslaughter, whereas the woman who finally cracks and kills the man who has been abusing her, is convicted of murder."

Answer 12

You omitted to mention that, in the Guardian article it told os a man who, pushed to the limit killed his wife. he was also not jailed. Murder due to self defence or diminished responsibility is not the same as cold bloodied murder. There will always be cases with mitigating circumstances. This is Justice.

Answer 13

Why are you lamenting about the UK when in the US Mary Winkler got to walk after shotgunning her sleeping husband and even got custody of her kids back.

Also you picked the wrong article. The UK is looking to push a law that allows a wife to kill a husband in his sleep as long as there was abuse and she fears more abuse.

Answer 14

Did you even read the article you posted, or simply not understand it?

Answer 15

Yeah, that article citing the man convicted of manslaughter for killing his wife because she was cheating, but the woman convicted of murder for killing her husband with a knife he was busy attacking her with sure proved YOUR point!



You go, Parasito!



(It's so nice when people prove their opposition's point for them, isn't it?)

Answer 16

::Wonders why people don't get that the poster is criticizing this article and not using it to prove their point::



Anyway, Yes i find the idea of preemptive self defense deplorable, If you can shot a sleeping man in the back with a shot gun, you can tip toe out of the house and drive off to another state/county/country

Answer 17

Feminazism.



They removed 'provocation' which means men never have a defense for killing a spouse while women can justify killing her husband if she says she was abused. The U.K. gave women license to kill their husbands.



And feminism is not bigoted and hateful towards men?

Answer 18

talk about nazism.... Goebells could pick up tips about efficient use of propaganda, from you

Answer 19

i never knew that murder is allowed

Answer 20

No.