Question:
If 40-60% of rape accusations are false, why don't feminists support punishment for false rape accusers?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
If 40-60% of rape accusations are false, why don't feminists support punishment for false rape accusers?
Nineteen answers:
wendy g
2007-01-03 20:05:23 UTC
Really? You're going with the Christian Party website again? The one that claims women are completely inferior, that black people should be repatriated to Africa, (and uses THE racial epithet to describe them) describes Einstein as a plagiarizing, lying JEW, claims the Holocaust never happened, and states that the Anglo-Saxon "race" is "God's own chosen people", and should solely rule America...boy, I guess your prejudice and hatred doesn't just stop at women, huh? This is a website run by a group that is nothing better than the KKK. Thanks anyway, but I prefer not to get my "facts" and "statistics" from a group with such an obvious agenda of hate. Your "American Daily" and "Men's Rights" sources are biased, I couldn't expect a D on a term paper using them as a source, and, your ITP source also seems to have an agenda. It's a private psychology practice, and does not seem as interested in scientific rigor as it is conjecture and opinion. When are you going to find authentic, original, verifiable sources to support your statements...oops, sorry, I meant "questions". Maybe you "choose" not to because there aren't any. But, to answer your "question," I think provably false allegations (of any crime) should be punished. False allegations of rape are certainly not helping the feminist cause (and they're not occurring nearly as much as you claim, and have no proof of.)

And "foggy" are you effing kidding me??!!!! "THAT is why men rape women like that"!!! (????) So, is that what you did? Did you rape them in retaliation? Because that's what you're suggesting. Women are raped because YOU had some bad luck? You think that the women who fired you DESERVE to be raped? Ya know, since you are the kind of person that would make that kind of statement, I imagine there's a lot more to your story than you're letting on. You probably couldn't STAND the idea of having to work for a women, and you were probably insubordinate and openly hostile, and brought it all on yourself. I mean hey, nothing wrong with blaming the victim, right?



EDIT--"Happy"--"Blanket statement"?!! All anyone has to do is go to your website to see I'm telling the truth (no, really, go to the "Christian Party" website, and click on anything in the list beside the text, such as "blacks," or "Holohoax," or "Isrealites"--it's immediately evident what kind of site this is) and if your not just as racist as you are sexist, why do insist on using this hate based website to "prove" your point? Don't you read your sources? If you don't want people to assume you're racist, don't cite racist "sources." I'm sure that if I used, say...Valerie Solanas as a "source" you would jump at the chance to call me a sexist man hater...Oh, wait, you DID compare me to her, anyway, and I never even mentioned her. "Ad hominen" attacks? Does the hypocrisy not even occur to you? And as far as my "lying" you failed to look and see where I PROVED my original statement, but that doesn't suit your purposes here, does it? I suggest you go back and look ('cause I smoked your a$$!) As far as your statements about Valerie Solanas go, she NEVER said she was "about" equality, she hated men and she didn't mince words about it. She was also completely insane. And don't think you're going to intimidate me by comparing me to HER, I didn't use her as a "source," I just called you on YOUR highly questionable choices...what, getting a little desperate? And it seems to me that the TWO OF YOU have way more in common, considering your mutual penchant for hate rhetoric and demonizing the opposite sex. Oh, and she didn't kill Andy Warhol, she just shot him. Boy, you don't verify ANYTHING, do you?
Hauntedfox
2007-01-03 19:36:54 UTC
First, please define your use of "feminist". It is a very subjective term that has no real basis in fact that I can think of. I believe in ngender equity, does this make me a "feminist" in your eyes?



I speak as someone who was raped at age 16 by a casual acquaintance. I think I am entitled to my say in this matter, and I do not believe my position is "uninformed" or "ignorant". I was held down in a public place by a man 5 years older than me (and twice my size) and coerced into sex while his friends watched. If that wasn't enough, I was stalked by him for a year afterwards.



Rape is defined as "sexual intercourse against the victim's consent or will; sex if the victim is incapacitated; or sex if the person is under the age of consent". Given that, let's examine the statistics of prevalence.



First, surveys across different sectors of the young adult population are sobering. Between 17 and 36% of all women admit in anonymous surveys to having been raped in their lifetime. If you set the average at 25%, it means one in 4. So, choose any 4 women you know: which one is it? Your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, or your grandmother? Because odds are one of them has been raped. Odds also are that she did not tell anyone about her experience for a variety of reasons. My experience is not unusual. I also did not report mine until 12 years later after my nervous breakdown. By the way, I am an intelligent young professional with a promising career, so it's not like I was seeking attention.



Of the ~82,000 cases reported to the police each year, 75-80% are accounts of rape by a stranger. Yet of the people surveyed anonymously, 80% KNEW THEIR ATTACKER. Let's do the math- what does this tell you about the number of cases that go unreported??? By the way, between 3 and 11% of men have been victims as well.



Breaking down the statistics further, over 50% of all rape victims were under age 18 at the time of the rape. Of the victims over 18, 75% were attacked by a current or former sex partner (spouse, boyfriend, ex, friend, etc.) There is a very ignorant sector that believes as soon as a woman gives consent once, she gives consent each time.



Now, I have read the articles claiming that between 25 and 40% of all cases reported are false. The methodology of determining this number is not given. Are these cases dismissed because of lack of evidence? Or women admititng they "made it up"? Who was surveyed? Because I'll tell you what rape trials are not a fun way to gain attention. It is extremely dangerous to question any person, male or female, who has the courage to admit to being raped. There is enough psychological damage done already to last a lifetime. Chances are a woman who says she was raped is telling the truth, even if she cannot "prove" it. Odds are she never received the help she needed to cope afterwards. Odds are even better she blames herself, or was blamed by family and friends. Finally, there is only a very slim chance that her attacker was reported, or was brought to justice. Odds are very high her attacker has assaulted other women as well as her.



Any woman who falsely accuses a man of rape is in need of mental help. Any person who falsely accuses another of any crime deserves to be sentenced. However, rape is difficult to prove, and we allow for a very damaging state of affairs if we place the burden of proof on a woman or man who only seeks to get help, and seeks justice.



I'll tell what I know from my medical and scientific background: if a disease had a 25% prevalence rate across the nation, it would be considered an epidemic. The effects of rape last a lifetime. There is an interesting link below about the effects of social trauma to rape victims after their ordeals.



http://www.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/victimrape.shtml
2007-01-03 19:01:31 UTC
Your question is a two-parter. so I'll answer both parts:

1. Radical feminists, like most radical wings of groups, are just trying to keep those in their group in their group, so they have to keep heaping on the cognitive dissonance so those on both sides of the issue don't get too complacent. If they actually helped women, the women eventually wouldn't need them anymore.

2. The radical feminists aren't about equality. They are about superiority. They want nothing less than total control. I admit I changed the focus of your question a bit, but that was because regular, middle of the road feminists probably DO support punishment for false rape accusers, because they hurt the cause in general, by making ALL of them look like the harpies that the extremists are.
2007-01-04 15:28:02 UTC
Because they are hypocrites.
2007-01-04 05:18:40 UTC
Something that IS worth considering when considering all this back and forth nonsense is that a hell of a lot of the really twisted, for-real, predatory rapists eliminate the possibility of facing the woman in court by killing her when they are through with her.



What the hell do they have to lose?



A lot of the cases where that isn't the outcome are complicated as all hell. Tragic though it may seem, the window of reasonable doubt makes it very hard for a jury to convict when it comes down to one person's word against another's, with no other corroborating evidence. And that's the case with most rape cases.



But being accused of it, or child molestation, or spousal abuse or any of a lot of other allegations can tear a life to shreds with no basis other than anger expressed with as little as an anonymous phone call. And the people that cause those things without due cause, on the rare occasions where it is provable they did so, should rot in the goddam slammer. And I don't give a damn who it scares out of the courts.



I have to go to court in two weeks to try to get a slimy little scumbag gang-banger a stretch for attempted murder (blew a couple holes in me), and have already gotten death threats from the genetic drift that pass for his friends if he goes down for it. But they were smart enough not to sign their names. Just letters. From "L" or "J' or "K". Not much use in court.



Yeah, well, piss on 'em. The world ain't fair. And if scaring off people that won't put principle before self-protection is a consequence of coming down on people that make false accusations, well that's just tough s*hit, ladies.
2007-01-03 20:26:36 UTC
Here you go again!! What is with you, that you take these non-peer reviewed studies at value? Christan Party?? I am sure there are false and ambiguous rape claims, but you hurt any cause you could possible have by submitting utter nonsense for my perusal. I am a scientist. I have published in peer reviewed journals. I know BS when I see it. You may have a small point, but your hyperbole has " blown your case right out of the water. I come to the social science section for amusement and rest from considering weightier questions. Thank you for a good laugh!!



PS It is standard Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence that " a false accusation " carries less onus that the crime one is claiming falsely. Thus, for a false claim, the sentence is considerable less than the falsely claimed crime. I doubt you knew this.



PSS Ad hominem?!?! I attacked your ideas/sources, you show yourself as the fool. What peer review? I do not accept arguments from authority. You have to do a whole lot better than this, as your " evidence " is very shaky. Now, stop wasting every ones time, " put up, or shut up "!!



Your shaky truth. Valarie Solanis SHOT Andy Warhol, she did not murder him. Is this your type of accuracy?



Again, you lie! I do not have to have credible data; you do idiot! You forget, you relativistic moron, that the burden of proof lies with you, twit!! Hysteria is your provence, remember! You are the one that is worried about being beat up by a girl!
2007-01-04 08:33:19 UTC
False or unproven due to lack of evidence?
2007-01-04 02:12:40 UTC
Wow you really do hate women don't you?



Do you know how many rape crimes never get a conviction? Not because of false alegation, but because in a "his word against hers" scenario it's so hard to prove EITHER way that it gets thrown out of court.



I'm sure those stats are somewhere to be found in your 40 - 60 % figures.



Just because there was no conviction doesn't mean it didn't happen.



I was also raped when I was 16. I never reported it because I was talked out of it by people who knew the justice system in my country (UK) and I would have been ripped apart because I had just split up with my boyfriend and some of his friends claimed I made it up for sympathy???



I fail to see where these figures come from when less than a quarter of sexual assault crimes get a conviction. That's more than 75% of cases UNPROVED due to lack of evidence. If the courts can't even know for sure who was lying (him or her) how the hell can you claim to have these figures as ACCURATE?



Not only that but more than 50% of rapes go unreported anyway, which logically means these are all REAL rapes, so if you add in these figures to "your" 40% of REPORTED rapes are false this will reduce that figure DRAMATICALLY in the "real" rape figures. And that just because a case is classed as a "false allegation" doesn't mean that the woman PURPOSELY accused for malicious reasons. She may honestly have felt she was being raped but just didn't clearly SAY the word NO, even though her body language may have done so. YOUR figures will also include these scenarios so basically they are so skewed they are not worth the paper they are written on.





Do you not think rape is a serious crime that needs severe punishment?
bungay
2016-10-06 13:55:30 UTC
i think of she could would desire to pay back double the quantity that the guy lost, and get a (probably lenient) existence sentence, as 'existence' is precisely what she tried to take from him. he will continually have that putting over his head, whether he's chanced on thoroughly harmless. The punishment for doing that to somebody could be harsh sufficient to confirm that no you could actually on no account make fake accusations.
2007-01-03 19:10:54 UTC
Feminists have no real interest in helping men although they claim to want equality across the board. I personally believe that a strong feminist is a woman who is angry about her lot in life; she'd rather be a man but would never say so. Their is an underlying hatred towards men, so their legal and cultural efforts are skewed to the point of perpetuating a false agenda. Woman are beautiful and sometimes intelligent creatures but many of the wrongs by men have created monsters of some. Why are the physical test standards lowered for women if they are applying for the same job(fire dept. for one)? Zero interest in fairness!
2007-01-03 18:43:21 UTC
I think that the 'party line' response would be that to punish people who make false claims would prohibit legitimate victims from coming forward ... fear that they won't be believed.



Total garbage, of coarse.



Thanks for the posting, and I look forward to laughing while reading the flaming, ignorant responses that you're sure to get.



Wendy:

According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.

Archives of Sexual Behaviour = Peer reviewed journal.



In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.

The most common reasons the women gave for falsely accusing rape were "spite or revenge," and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame (Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4, December 1985).

Forensic Science Digest = Peer reviewed journal.



The McDowell study is credible too, and can be found at Charles P. McDowell et. al., "False Allegations", in Practical Rape Investigation, Behavioral Science Unit, FBI Academy, Quantico, VA 1985.



Some other sources that you're free to dismiss without reading:



Stephen Buckley, "Unfounded Reports of Rape Confound Area Police Investigators", Washington Post, June 27, 1992, page B-1.



ABC-TV "False Accusations of Child Abuse", 20/20, December 11, 1997.
race1983
2007-01-04 03:35:31 UTC
I didnt think that many women or people for that matter were making false accusations about rape. thats not good. in a few years no one will believe women are being raped but if you falsely accuse soeone of rape you should the same amount of time as a rapist. because when youre accused of rape, youre not looking so well to alot of individuals, no one gonna cut you no slack, so I know men who are falsely accused are having a bad time
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2014-07-20 14:15:49 UTC
Your stats are wrong. About 2% of accusations are false -less than the rate of false accusations of robbery (since there is a clear motive with faking a robbery -insurance fraud).

And making a false police report already IS illegal.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/research/perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf
2007-01-03 20:29:02 UTC
Ya they should get the same amount of prison time as the rapist would have, if it was a false statement. I mean some woman are willing to put a man away for 10 to 40 years just for money, attention, or hatred towards men, thats like murder in my eyes. They should get a max of 10 if they do this.
2007-01-05 13:54:00 UTC
The same reason the NAACP won't call for all black-owned businesses to have the proper number of non-minority workers (60% white or more) as would be logical, since affirmitive action is one of their big button issues.



-because feminist groups exist to serve women, and to heck with everyone else.
2014-09-08 18:12:19 UTC
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Hope it helps.
2007-01-03 21:27:19 UTC
i think that would make real victims too afraid of punishment to report their rape. false allegations should be punished, but not too severely.
Who Knew!
2007-01-04 09:40:54 UTC
The stats you are speaking of include a study of 1,200 rape cases. There are 225,000 + reported rapes per year. There is a big discrepancy here of approximately 223,800 rapes. I would bet that the study is based on hand picked rape cases by this so called "Christian" of members from his "church"



Men like some of you on this post are not worthy of anything.
2007-01-03 19:32:58 UTC
i am 64 and about to retire. in 1985 i worked for a woman for the first time. after two years she fired me without explain why. I got a job right after that in the boondocks and, lo and behold, got another woman supervisor and she fired me. i next worked a a decent place and reported to a good fellow until he took another position and, wow, they put a woman from out of state over me. she rearranged things until it was unbearable and i hade to quit. and then i was out of work for a long time. then i landed another good job under a good fellow but a notch above him was a feminist who first fired him and eventually fired me. did i bring it on myself? not for working hard and not for lack of competence not for anything but a clash of personalities. cannot act like the way they all wanted me to. my mother is a woman. my daugher is a woman so not all women would fire me, just those women who attained executive positions and demand personality transformation. i haven't landed anything since. stacking boxes and such. i have a masters degree and worked hard. that's why men rape women like that!!!!!!!!!!


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