Question:
Will someone provide the links to the "8 health care benefits" for women that men don't have?
dark eyes
2012-12-20 08:28:09 UTC
under Obamacare?

BQ: What part of "universal healthcare coverage" is so hard for MRAs to comprehend?

Obamacare is going to be detrimental [and in some instances already IS detrimental] to almost ALL Americans... Companies are freezing hiring, because THEY'RE going to be the ones that first have to provide insurance for employees... Pay increases and benefits are going to go down, because their profits will be eaten up by that healthcare coverage. Taxes on working Americans [yes, INCLUDING WOMEN] are going to go to provide for healthcare coverage that companies and individuals can not afford...!

BQ2: How is this solely an MRA issue?
Ten answers:
anonymous
2012-12-20 08:35:56 UTC
Do we have to view everything as a gender issue?



I am a lot more worried what it will do to the economy and the government. This health care law they are passing is way to Socialist to me. It actually almost is a mirror image of Canada's health care. And there health care is not good really at all.



But idk much of anything about this 8 benefits for women until today so i am going to keep my mouth shut on it because i do not have enough information on the issue yet. And i definitely won't be getting my information from a feminist or MRA sight.
miesch
2016-08-06 10:55:30 UTC
That is evidently now not equal. And if feminists have been truly about equality/equal opportunity among guys and females, they would be OUTRAGED at this clear type of gov't subsidized sexism. For this to be equal, these eight offerings would have got to receive an traditional buck quantity of cost. Then, that identical buck quantity would then be allocated (or cut up) amongst men. While there now not be 8 "an identical" offerings for men, it could obviously be "equalized" by bucks. And there's no such factor as free wellness care benefits to anyone. The cost will simply be unfold out among the premiums. And given that guys don't seem to be partaking of any of those eight services, we're just about paying for a woman to have her girl ingredients checked out by way of a medical professional.
anonymous
2012-12-20 11:11:52 UTC
You asked for a link to the 8 benefits. Then when someone posts them AND provide some rational debate, you still don't see gender discrimination. Have you actually read what Beer and Common sense wrote? Sure, there are specific female anatomy issues, but there are male ones as well. Men can get prostate cancer and testicular cancer.



And to officially answer your Q, I'll give a link to the benefits while not giving the same link as already given.
WWGSD
2012-12-20 08:45:34 UTC
Free screenings for chlamydia, gonorrhea, and interpersonal or domestic violence... ALL FOR WOMEN ONLY... are the ones I find most offensive. Last I checked, men catch STDs (often asymptomatic and leading to sterility if untreated), men experience domestic violence at a rate roughly equal to that of women, and men suffer other violence at a rate orders of magnitude higher than women.



BQ: "Universal health coverage," as used by Democrats, should have "for women only" at the end to be a more honest representation of their intended meaning.



BQ2: This is a human rights issue.
Geno
2012-12-20 08:56:44 UTC
The VAST majority of those PAYING into the health care system are men, and the vast majority of those RECEIVING those health care benefits are women. As soon as women grow up and start to fund their OWN health issues... or at least 50% of them in the name of "equality", I will entertain feminists stance on this issue. The ones who pay the MONEY gets the say. Today, that happens to be MEN.



This is a supplement to Common Sense and Beer's answers, so I won't belabor their posts.
?
2012-12-20 08:29:41 UTC
Free benefits for women here:



http://healthland.time.com/2012/08/01/the-8-preventive-health-services-that-women-start-getting-free-today/



Both men and women get STDs, both could use counseling after domestic abuse. Only women get cervical cancer, but only men get prostate cancer. Yet with these issues only women get the entitlements under Obamacare. Men do not. That's gender discrimination.



Obamacare is not universal health care coverage. It requires insurance companies to provide certain services for free and is a wealth transfer program that will cost over 2.8 trillion according to some estimates. Requiring some to pay more for the services of others, is a move in the direction of universal care, but it is not universal care.



Cost estimates:



http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-now-estimated-cost-26-trillion-first-decade_648413.html







Add to your details:



No, previous to Obamacare, most insurance companies did not offer those services for free to women, but charge men. They are now starting to do so because they are mandated to do so, not due to their free choice. Beer below, explains exactly how this came about. Read his excellent post.



The issues some MRAs and equalists have is that this policy gender discriminates. It is not provided to men and women equally and it is very, very expensive.



I have had the same insurance for 25 years. Under the plan I have never received free STD check ups our counseling. I have not received free contraception. I have not received free abuse counseling. I have not received free cancer screens of gender-specific cancers. Under Obamacare I still won't, but you will. How can you not see the gender discrimination in that?



Edit #2



One thing you continually fail to acknowledge that is at the heart of your perception is the difference between a covered event, and offering a service to free for one gender and not the other. You treat them as if they were the same, but they are not.



#3.

Dark Eyes you just continue to dig a deeper hole for yourself.



Women getting cancer screening, but men are not is not just due to differences of anatomy. It's due to discriminatory policy. As stated several times, both men and women get STDs, The two policies related to that which advantage women are not just a matter of men and women being different.



Feminists have fought very hard for such entitlements. Why when you obtain what you have fought so hard for, do you then deny it?



It's there in writing on the official government website for everyone to see. By continuing to deny what is so easily verifiable, all you do is make the true nature of feminism even more obvious.
Beer
2012-12-20 08:32:33 UTC
I've once written a detailed answer on this one. As far as I remember, out of 8, 5 were pregnancy/women's issues related and 3 were genuine bias and basically - discrimination.



Let me find it...







Edit:

...but if you look at it, some really are female-specific, and are mostly related to pregnancy so it's reasonable to restrict them from men, while other are plain discriminatory and misandric.



Of the eight (all of which are listed on the web page linked below), I find the following, more or less, discriminatory:

http://www.healthcare.gov/news/factsheets/2011/08/womensprevention08012011a.html





1.)"HPV DNA testing: Women who are 30 or older will have access to high-risk human papillomavirus (HPV) DNA testing every three years, regardless of Pap smear results"



My comment: though HPV DNA testing for men hasn't even been developed yet, other forms of diagnosing HPV in men do exist, and since men get HPV as well (and it's as common as it's with women) restricting it from men is definitely discriminatory.



2.)"STI counseling: Sexually-active women will have access to annual counseling on sexually transmitted infections (STIs)."



My comment: ...all the while STI counseling will only be available to men "at higher risk", whatever that means.



3.)"HIV screening and counseling: Sexually-active women will have access to annual counseling on HIV."



My comment: ...while for men only the screening is available, not the counseling. Given the number of men who get the virus each year, such a restriction is unreasonable and, of course, discriminatory.



4.)"Interpersonal and domestic violence screening and counseling: Screening and counseling for interpersonal and domestic violence should be provided for all adolescent and adult women."



My comment: Not available to men at all. Given that men are victims of domestic violence as well, which is probably best proven by the fact that men represent 38-41% of victims in spouse murders, this is again, discriminatory and even misandric.





To address the issue why, I believe, men are (discriminatively) excluded from the above listed services.

It's a simple issue really. You have insurance companies' lobbyists on one side (who want to cover as little as possible, to have the highest profit possible), women's groups lobbyists on the other side, and in the middle you have politicians who have to determine what to do to get elected yet again.



It's a compromise really, they'll pass some of these privileges for women into law to appease the feminists/women's groups thus getting the "women's vote" (or at least, a significant part of it), at the same time not pissing of the insurance companies too much, who will thank them by continuing to donate money to their campaigns.



Men, as a group, simply don't have groups lobbying in their interests as women do in the form of feminist/women's groups. That's the reason for this and any other law that is discriminatory towards men, that gets passed.





Edit2:

"In fact, those are all health issues that have always been covered by health care insurance."



This is obviously false, dark eyes, otherwise they wouldn't say the following...



"The eight new ADDITIONAL WOMEN'S preventive services that will be covered without cost-sharing requirements include...(then they list the 8 points)"



and



"New private health plans must cover the guidelines on women’s preventive services with no cost sharing in plan years starting on or after August 1, 2012."

http://www.healthcare.gov/news/factsheets/2011/08/womensprevention08012011a.html
Sexy B@$t@rd
2012-12-20 08:30:30 UTC
I cannot see the gynecologist of my choice. And I don't get free birth control pills.
anonymous
2012-12-20 08:33:49 UTC
Not even an issue I care about to be honest. I have no opinion on it.



BQ2 : It is not an issue to me.
anonymous
2012-12-20 08:33:07 UTC
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf


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