OK. So the excuses for denying men?

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equal opportunity to choose to be a parent or not by allowing him the opportunity to say, I don’t want to be a parent but if you do then good luck to you but I want no part of it is because

1. A female may get pregnant and falsely accuse a man of rape so that she feels justified in having an abortion (Mabe)
2. Men in the US and everywhere else should not have a choice to be a parent because females in Northern Ireland voted for females not to have abortions so females have no choice so men should have no choice (Woody)
3. It’s all men’s responsibility for getting a female pregnant and a female has absolutely no responsibility at all (Liz et al)
4. If a female chooses to be a parent then a man has no choices because she must go through labour so he should have to be a parent with all the financial costs etc. A man should not have the choice to say he does not want to be a parent because a female only has that choice
5. Men should not have a choice to be a parent or not because men are Selfish, self absorbed, and COMPLETELY and UTTERLY USELESS if they have a choice but a female is NOT Selfish, self absorbed, and COMPLETELY and UTTERLY USELESS because she chooses to have a baby and force the man into fatherhood.

Would that be a fair summation of the excuses to date. Note that No where have I ever said that a female should have no choice. What I am saying is that if a female chooses to abort a child then OK. If a female chooses to have a baby then OK. But if a man does not want to be a parent why can’t he just say, I don’t want to be a parent and if you do then good luck to you?

And Yac, do you think the situation where the man beat up the female and caused a termination would be solved if a man was given the opportunity to abort any responsibility for the child after a pregnancy develops? Effectively, he is not a parent. And she is. He is not impinging on her choices and she is not impinging on his choices. It seems you are saying the best way to avoid this drama is to not give men a choice because when a female chooses to have a baby she has to carry it and give birth to it. This nullifies any choices a man should have.

Answer 1

Every man knows that when he sleeps with a woman, she might get pregnant.

So are you saying; he can now say he is finished.

It doesn't work that way morally.

What kind of mindset gets into this situation ?

I would say a warped one.

Answer 2

I have to admit your question or statement or whatever is very interesting and will be met with a lot of tension. yes i do agree that if the women does not want the child then yes she should be given the choice to opt out. we have the technology that if the man says keep it that they can remove the embryo before it archives a size that can effect the woman's body and grow it in a lab of some kind. but due to that particular thing in america they should have her pay child support? i think that is another way of allowing people to use a child as a weapon and a job to make money so no. my opinion is that isn't right. same as if the man ops out then he should not be even regarded as a parent. there where rumors some time ago that sperm Donner clinics would have to place a information out to men who donate stating that america could be inclined to force them to pay child support for a choice a woman made then couldn't afford without him ever being with her or even knowing who she is. that should also be considered both illegal and sick. but sense i have heard no more about it i am hoping such a act of atrocity was dropped. now then what would be the decision on both parent's wanting the child but hating each other. should that child be a weapon used to cause misery upon the partner that didn't get custody? used for both an attack against there ability to pay there bills and an attack against them emotionally? there are many facets of this that can both be of a great boon to discus and of a major negative to discus. people want an easy way out. they mess up and force a new life into the world they fight on the grounds of a mythical being that is without fault who made a creature so full of faults that there very existence destroys the land it lives on like a virus. something in this world is seriously messed up after this try an open discussion on how screwed up people are. not just the choice of a child.

Answer 3

Just for the reason that a girl say's you are the dad doesn't suggest you're. Just seem what number of of those females have mentioned this man used to be the dad & that they had been the one individual they ever slept with. Paternity scan comes again & say's. YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER!!! Yes often on Maury those day's. But nonetheless going down on Judge Hatchett & different court docket television suggests.Not to say the years that Jenny jones & Rikki Lake had been on. EDIT: Eibhlinn Savage, Now what do you assert approximately the ones females which can be defined above? I spotted you did not make a remark on them. Sorry if a girl is napping with a couple of individual. It's then a crisis she created. In the defined concern, No method will have to the person signal a delivery certificates if there may be doubt. Signing a BC is a authorized binding agreement on this nation that you simply definitely are not able to get out of despite the fact that later you are established by way of DNA to not be the daddy. You signed it & you are caught with it.

Answer 4

The problem is that women do not make as much money as men, more live in poverty now than men and the situation is worse for single-parent mothers and would be much much worse if you take away the little bit of child support they get. This would mean many many children would grow up in truly abject poverty which is not ideal for promoting a healthy nation in the future. The state or organizations would likely have to support these women if the fathers do not.



It would probably stop boyfriends from beating up girlfriends to force miscarriages, though.



I would worry that men who do not want responsibility would love this - they could impregnate scores of women all over the country and the women would do all the work raising them and they could just keep doing it with impunity spreading their genes far and wide and the poor poor children would grow up without fathers - that is the true tragedy- every child should have a father.

Answer 5

No, this isn't any kind of summation. You leave out the most important consideration of all:



If the woman chooses to have a child, and the man is allowed to walk away, who bears the cost of raising the child when the mother cannot manage financially on her own?



Easy enough already for the guy to say to the woman, "You chose to have the child rather than abort it. So you can pay for it." But the problem is, he's saying that to ME too, and to every other taxpayer who has to fill the void he's left.



As for those who would argue that some women can manipulate and entrap men by lying to them about birth control and having children to extort money, I say simply: "CAVEAT FORNICATOR"

Answer 6

Ok, so, if you give a man the chance to veto an abortion, does that mean the woman gets to hand the baby over to him and simply walk away? I mean if you force a pregnancy and birth that she does not want should she be able to walk away from all responsibility towards the child?



And how would you compensate her for the physical damage done to her body? It can be significant.



Would you not just say that she should just put up with it because she chose to have sex and knew the risks she was taking at the outset?



Could that argument not be put squarely back at your feet?

Answer 7

I'm interested in your question, but I don't understand what you want from this.



Are you saying you think that a fetus' biological father should choose whether to abort instead of the mother?



Are you saying that a man should have the option to not be involved at all if he doesn't want to be?



I don't understand what you're suggesting.





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@Timmay, good point, in general. Also, what men do alone can decrease their chances of impregnating women to below 5% per year (not by occurrence of sexual encounter) by just pulling out and using condoms.



Condoms are, with imperfect use, 18% ineffective. Pulling out is 27% ineffective with imperfect use.



That means a person who uses condoms imperfectly, and pulling out imperfectly, has a



0.18X0.27X100% = 4.86% chance of getting a girl pregnant in an entire year.



But if you use these methods perfectly, and you can find out how via the links, you can reduce it by a lot.



Condoms are only 2% ineffective with perfect use. Pulling out is amazingly only 4% ineffective with perfect use. So, if a man is really that concerned about it, his chances are:



0.02X0.04X100% = 0.08% of getting a woman pregnant in an entire year (not just one sexual encounter).



So in an entire year, 8 out 10,000 men will get their partner if they use pulling out and condoms perfectly.



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To your addition…



I don't think men should legally be able to just "opt out" like that for several reasons:



1) Because there's a midget that will have a worse off life because of it.

2) Because society would have to pay for that midget to meet the standard cost of living.

3) Because of the implications. Think long term, and beyond just yourself. If men didn't have to worry about supporting potential midgets, then fewer men would concern themselves with practicing safe sex. Seriously, what's in it for you to wear a condom if the girl is the only one who will have to deal with it? The consequence? Potentially adding millions of midgets into the world into single family homes, which leads to more of reasons one and two.

4) If a man is a partial cause of a midget, he should be partially responsible for that midget. I guess that's a moral obligation, right?



I said midget to keep it fresh. Also, for some reason, I think a good chunk people have been desensitized to the worlds "because of the child" on this forum, and disregard that an individual will struggle more in life. I'm hoping the world midget will help people emphasize a LITTLE bit more.



See what I did there? Little?

Answer 8

hmm.. well im extremely pro-choice with regards to abortion being the exclusive choice of the mother in all cases without exception.



male reproductive rights.. like a father having the choice to relinquish responsibility financial or otherwise .. I'm not so sure about. I'm not sure I can agree with giving men an opt out of fatherhood.



*edit* it's the woman's body, the woman gives birth. The man did consent to have sex with her. It would be unfair to allow a man to shirk his responsibilities. So although reproductive rights ARE very slanted in women's favour, the cost of child birth, carrying the child etc is also a huge cost/burden to a woman. It balances out.

Answer 9

I answered your other question. As you know. But i don't know why you keep going on about it. Men don't have the final say. You never have. And you never will. And why the hell should you? If you want to go then go, you selfish git who couldn't use a condom, i'll hold the door open for you on the way out.



EVERYONE knows accidents happen. But it doesn't stop you screwing women, does it? Well then don't bloody complain when something that you know full well could happen, happens!

Answer 10

You're looking at it in a biased way.

Let's turn the tables. Why should the woman be expected to be a parent? Is it simply because she unfortunately had to carry it?