Question:
What do you think about all this Don Imus firing/"nappy-headed hos" business?
anonymous
2007-04-11 20:55:20 UTC
There's no doubt this guy should have been fired, which he was. (He also rather ironically - or not - looks like he stumbled out of a 1930s Western.) But, after reading this article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18062462/site/newsweek/ ) by a black Newsweek editor and finding Imus has been pulling this crap for more than _30 years_, I'm really sickened.

People are so stupid and hypocritical when it comes to acknowledging racism and homophobia. We're surrounded by this stuff and don't even notice it. It takes a totally random uproar like this one (there are no doubt thousands more like Imus) for people to finally admit again that racism is alive and well - apparently even sanctioned and popular - in America, just like it takes some gay guy being hung on a fence and dying a torturous death for people to admit that homophobia is still rampant and, gee, maybe the government needs to protect those homosexual people's rights better.

Ugh. What do you think?
29 answers:
anonymous
2007-04-11 21:36:30 UTC
His remark was such an unimaginable blend of racism and sexism that I don't even know where to begin.



And then, for Imus to apologize, then try to shift the blame onto black men by saying that the phrase originated in the black community, not the white community, as if this is in any way relevant to the situation at hand. It's like shooting someone, then saying to the judge, "I'm sorry for what I did, but ya know, it's not like I invented guns." Completely illogical, but also very sneaky....



Unfortunately, regardless of Imus, there are tons of other radio personalities spreading their hate to millions (especially with podcasting), and being sponsored by large corporations to do it. I hope, at the very least, that this makes people more aware of what's going on, and that an "apology" does not undo this kind of damage--people should be held accountable for their behavior, regardless of their fame, success, or longevity.



Edit: I also teach College writing--I teach in Florida, which is much more culturally diverse, and I can tell you from my experience that being in close proximity with people of other cultures, races, religions, etc., unfortunately does not mean that students will intermingle or relate to each other. They tend to stay within their own groups, and many also lack the ability to put themselves into others' shoes. It can be disheartening at times, but I also think that as teachers we are doing a positive thing by bringing these issues to their attention and encouraging critical thinking. Good luck with the teaching (especially the paper-grading, which definitely takes its toll--I am currently in a bottomless pit of grading!)
anonymous
2016-05-18 03:50:33 UTC
All of this talk about how bad Imus is and that people like him perpetrate racism. I don't know what to think. I laughed when I heard what Imus said. But I never thought that what he said was true. The controversy has sparked conversation and some rethinking on both my part and my husbands. I attributed the remark to like saying the opposing team in football are a bunch of pansies. I disagree that Imus and others like him are the root of racism. While talking to my 13 year old black neighbor, I discover that he thinks black girls are cheaters and you can't trust them. They chase after a lot of different guys. He explained that's why he has a white girlfriend. He's never heard of Imus. I asked him. So where does he get a demeaning attitude about black women?
Lady Lauren
2007-04-16 00:47:30 UTC
Okay, first... how can you say that killing a homosexual in a hateful rage is at all like what some redneck hillbilly says on his underrated radio show? (And also, homophobia means a fear of homosexuality...these people who kill gay people are not scared, they hate...there is a big difference...so I think its probably the hate that we need to fight here...)



And isn't it also a little bit ridiculous that this country (and certain "equal right advocates that shall remain nameless") focuses on what this old man says instead of fighting the real fight? The racism that exists today is not old men with leftover prejudice from way back when... Its the sickos that worship Hitler and have organized meetings where they discuss their HATE!!! Don Imus does not hate black people, he's a stupd old man who can't get over the way things were...



So why are we wasting our time, efforts, resources, and media on this trivial thing that when everything is said and done, THERE WILL BE NOTHING SOLVED!!



The majority of racism today stems from a very vicious cycle that all americans and the government need to find a way out of. A good portion of the Black American population lives in poverty and grow up to live lives of crime because of this...the neighborhoods are dangerous and people are honestly scared to go in. (I live in a town where I am actually aware why you don't enter a "black neighborhood" at night.) They are undereducated because good teachers (who make very little anyways) will not put themselves in danger every day to work in these neighborhoods.



And before insults are hurled too heavily at me, I am perfectly aware that not all black americans come from these neighborhoods or fall victim to a life or crime... unfortunately these people suffer every day because the media and the entertainment industry (and I'm talking about the news and gang movies and some rap music...not ignorant people like Don Imus) focus on the bad and as for the movies and music, they sometimes even glorify it and make it cool... and they suffer because too many black americans choose not to stand up for themselves in positive ways...I can only imagine how hard their circumstances are, trying to rise above being born into poverty and having a less-than-wonderful education, but peope do it everyday---blacks and whites... and yes, in some cases it is harder for blacks to overcome they're situations because of the racism in this country, but the hate and prejudice will never go away until there is a change... and it will not start with the "fearful white folks" sitting in front of their tv's watching all of the "black on black" crimes splattered over the news... it has to start by making a change to black poverty neighborhoods...



Also, the commit by Don Imus was just as much degrading women as blacks, so why are the feminists not standing up and fighting this discrimination? Because they tend to pick the important battles that will actually change the way things are... if the black equal rights advocates would do this (instead of playing, as Bill Maher said, an "I got you" game...or something like that) if these advocates would get off of the television with their flashy dress and big words and go to these people who actually need help, we might see a change to the way things are...
msim225
2007-04-11 21:47:27 UTC
Well, I think if this was a serious problem years ago something should have been done then, and I think he deserved being fired from MSNBC. My problem with the whole thing is that if an African American said something racially hurtful to a mostly white team, their would not have been such an uproar. Thank God we have such a respectable institution such as the NAACP, but they should not waste anymore time then they already have on Imus's remarks. The Reverend Al Sharpton has the best idea, we should be confronting the media corporations that allow such a behavior to go unpunished for so long, and also not giving equal opportunity to people of color in their programming.
Bethy4
2007-04-18 02:43:46 UTC
What ever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me". The comments by Imus, yes, were appalling and degrading to women in general, but that wasn't the first time he did it and it won't be the last and yes, someone else will come along and say something more appalling and more degrading then Imus, so this ugly thing, has been around and will be around, more than likely until the end of time, what and how the problem is dealt with depends on the moment and how thin skinned those being referred to are. God Bless.
edith clarke
2007-04-12 18:17:42 UTC
It's amazing the ignorance that is being displayed by people here who think that racism is "dying", and think it's fine to call young women prostitutes. What country are you people living in? I've lived in the midwest, west, southwest, and now the southeast and racism and sexism is alive and well, all over the country. If "lots" of people are worse than Imus on the air and in the media, and are "popular", than how can anyone think racism and sexism is "dying"? I don't care who "else" is racist and sexist, Imus is both. He is out. And no, hate speech is not protected speech.



Just as bad as the minimizing of racism and sexism that is going on, by trying to say "black people" also do what Imus did, (and that justifies it somehow???) is the whining that some white people are doing, saying that if whites are "discriminated" against, no one speaks up for them. You poor things. Well, folks, we've had someone speaking up for whites for a few hundred years, so you may just not be heard every time now. Wow, white priviledge is hard to let go of, isn't it?



The other part of this incident that T's me off, is the disregard and contempt so many men and women have for young women. They don't get it that no woman deserves to be called a prostitute. All that crud about "supporting young people trying to get ahead" is obviously just bs if you're a woman, since not too many people were upset at how these women were being referred to, now were they?



So why is this such a big deal? Because we're sick of it. Yes, we don't have to listen to racist sexist jerks like Imus, but they fill the airwaves. It's hard to find a channel that doesn't have someone spewing hate and contempt for women, gays, and non-whites. I've had it. I try to change the channel, but how many times do I have to change it when so many commercials, commentators, music, "news", and "entertainment", is full of nasty hateful crud, day after day? The same goes for television, movies, books, cartoons, video games, its hard to find something positive in the ooze of hateful contempt that passes as American culture.
Porterhouse
2007-04-11 21:42:41 UTC
I think it's about time... In the local media here in Tampa, FL there were a few good points raised as to why it seemed like only Al Sharpton was the first to respond, and why hasn't the President or Chancellor of Rutgers University demanded a public apology??



To address the Howard Stern comment, yes, he does push the limit and is most certainly in poor taste 97% of the time, BUT.... the difference (and this is only my opinion) is that he AT LEAST doesn't sound like he means these things... Imus has a certain tone and vibe to him, that is disconcerting.



Imus has been around since the 70's, and quite frankly his social values and mores are antiquated and unacceptable.
anonymous
2007-04-16 04:07:38 UTC
In america we call it freedom.



Freedom to call someone a nappy headed ho if we want.



Freedom for them to get pissed.



Freedom for them not to listen. Turn of the radio.



I dont listen to rap.Can I get all the record producers fired next time i hear a derogatory word about us honkeys and whiteys.



How many times do you hear a black use the n word??



I hate everybody equally and i have a right to express it anyway I want.Dont like it,plug your ears.



To many damn crybabies about everything



And racism and homophobia is not rampant.



If it were, it would not be news when it happens.



Be thankful it is as isolated as it is.



With 300 million americans, be very thankful.
anonymous
2007-04-18 03:01:32 UTC
Well it's like this... Which part of his comment was disrespectful to the african-american ball-bouncers? The "nappy headed" or the "hos" ? If Imus had only said look at them hos run... would that have brought on the racist-nazis? Or if he had said, "look! nappy headed runnin' down the court." Would that have been the racist card? I'm confused...
LT Dan
2007-04-12 12:06:21 UTC
I think this is a bunch of overblown crap. Hah! I went there.



Look, I don't like Don Imas. I think he's an idiot. Regardless of that fact, he has a right to say what he wants. Remember freedom of speech? Oh wait, I forgot, there's no freedom of speech if you say the wrong thing about the wrong group. Just ask Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.



He was making a joke about their dress. Was it in poor taste? Of course! Who cares? Is he ruining their lives? Uh..no.



I find it interesting that this comes at the same time as a certain group of white college students are being vindicated of a lie perpetrated by a black woman. She could've ruined their lives, and sent them to jail. Members of the black community screamed that it didn't matter if they were guilty or not, because it would make up for some injustice.... blah blah blah.



Where do Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson stand on that issue? (Oh, yes, I left off Reverend, because they are about as Christian as Osamah Bin Laden) Where is their moral indignation? Why are they not chastising the black community for fostering a feeling of entitlement that almost ruined the life of three innocent men? Want to talk about racism?



Don Imus is the epitome of unimportant bulls--t. What he did was boorish at best, and would've been forgotten. What that woman did, along with a certain hopefully-to-soon-be-disbarred lawyer, was an injustice.



Oh, and for the record, a lot of people think Don Imas' apology was a lot of crap. I know I do. The problem is that a lot of people these days think they are OWED an apology. This is naive. No one is ever OWED an apology. An apology is a gift, given when one truly feels sorry for something they did. When it is forced (say, like, given to save one's job, because certain forces bear down on your employer), it is worthless.



Free speech is the right of white people too.



I believe the thumbs down button is just below this. Have at me.





:)
en tu cabeza
2007-04-13 10:44:40 UTC
Don Imus' job is to make money. What he said made a great impact on his ability to make money for his bosses (and himself). That is why he was fired. The first amendment puts limits on the government limiting speech. The government didn't fire Imus. CBS did. This is not a constitutional issue.

People giving me thumbs down: This is fact not opinion.
Brandon14_99
2007-04-12 15:14:12 UTC
Ignorant bull **** is all this is. It's just another case of the white man putting down the black man or women in this case. If a black guy on the same radio station would have said the same thing, no one would of said anything. Why are these girls upset anyways? They look like nappy headed hoes. He was justing pointing it out. I'm not gonna get all upset about a black guy calling a bunch of white girls stuck up bitches. Same concept. These girls probably go to clubs and listen to rap music with the same damn words and what are they doing? Their out there dancing to the music even though the rapper is reffering to women as hoes and bitches. It's all just stupid. I think they should drop the whole thing and let him keep his job, as ugly as he may be.
LauraLee
2007-04-12 05:20:00 UTC
I had a friend who was Italian/Jewish and prefers African American men. So far am I politically correct enough? She has two children from two different men and they are beautiful bi-racial little humans. I would have never dreamed of calling them ******* or even partial *******. Imagine my surprise when after an 8 hour day of unpaid babysitting she called me a cracker..........though I've never cracked a whip or beaten any black person. Come to think of it, neither did my parents, grandparents, great grandparents.........you get it? This 'reverse' prejudice has got to stop. I'm tired of black beauty contests, black colleges and hearing about NAACP. I have two very white teenagers who are also beautiful and desire an education. My son walked through his high school halls and nodded at a group of brothers and they called him a **cking piece of white bread. Is that okay? We're all humans and unfortunately, we all have bad days and step over the line. Imus was trying to make a joke. I remember Jackie Chan saying 'whas up my *****?' in a movie. It was funny. Lighten up and remember that all people (even the white ones) have the right to free speech.
frenchie
2007-04-12 14:47:27 UTC
As reprehensible and repulsive as Imus is, if he is to be fired than we should also not forget about Howard stern opie and Anthony and all of the other "shock jocks" that Imus is tame compared to.



We also should not forget about all of the rappers and other musicians that trash women and gays etc.
anonymous
2007-04-12 00:23:18 UTC
As long as people seek to disparage one another, rather than concentrating on the real issues of life, there will always be those who shall grasp the baton of controversy and go forth demolishing the social tissue furthermore
ZORRO
2007-04-11 21:34:55 UTC
He'll find a home on satellite radio. He is a good talk show host. What he said is very tame compared to Howard Stern.

PLUS, we have freedom of speech in this country! People should worry about what happens to America after 5-8-08 when the Natl' ID Card takes effect. This is more important than what Imus said, besides, what kind of a word is "hos"?
Deirdre O
2007-04-11 21:38:58 UTC
I am glad to hear that all the sponsors are pulling out and not supporting this racism either. By speaking out and saying this is wrong is a strong message that this behaviour is not acceptable and will no longer be tolerated. I am angry just thinking that he would say something that ugly about those beautiful young girls.

Something good may come out of this, because to start a diologue about racism and admitting that it does exist is the first step towards eradicating this constant problem.
anonymous
2007-04-12 18:07:39 UTC
i agree with you. what he did was wrong, but we see it all the time in our lives- movies, tv shows, people at our schools or workplace, etc. and we don't react or at least we don't voice our opinion. but when someone well-known says something racist or sexist or whatever there's this huge uproar. i think people just like to jump on the bandwagon in situations like these because it makes them feel important. however, this man should be punished because this kind of language should not be tolerated for anyone, famous or not.
Dog
2007-04-11 21:06:11 UTC
The scary thing is that there's an audience out there receptive to that kind of crap...it won't be long before it happens again...the smarter racists in the meantime, are finding new terminology to spew their hate
tina
2007-04-13 16:27:12 UTC
I agree. Rush Limbaugh told a black caller to"take the ring out of your nose."
anonymous
2007-04-11 22:15:56 UTC
He's a forth rate Howard Stern.



Howard got Sirus about his work. Much safer on Sirus. No sponsors to alientate.
sam_oehler
2007-04-15 16:12:01 UTC
No, he should not have been fired. He has been calling blacks and other colors bad names for his entire career. Now I know that it is wrong...but if you do not want to hear what he has to say...why the hell are you listening?
anonymous
2007-04-13 06:20:48 UTC
who in their life hasn't said something that they probably shouldn't have?!?! whatever happened to 'sticks and stone will break my bones, but words will never hurt me?' i think its completely irrational and the punishment doesn't fit the crime.



i agree with you, if it has been another type of discrimation - this would not have happened. i didn't see it offensive nor racist. it was a little over the top for some, but nothing overboard like they have shown.



as he said, he's there to be funny and sometimes he's not....
sara
2007-04-12 18:13:00 UTC
first of all..blacks are just as racist as anyone...n with that atitude..they just confirm it....oh n i agree.. about the comments...most of young girls, whether black or white... these days..r outhere partying ..their asses off...do u think they are at debutante partys n stuff? lol no they are partying out big time..to the music. rap songs full of hateful lyrics.... that is even more demeaning than wht imus said...n i wonder, why then they dont get offended????.nope not at all...they consider these rappers,idols....as for firing imus,..well prob it for the best...hopefully he soon will find a satellite radio show..where we can listen to him again....i think its really double standards...when it was black themselves...the rappers..(.fighting for their right to say ho n cuss on songs n all...i belive there was even a song about it..by the 2 live group...).lol but dont say it about them...nooooo...thye can call whites n others names..but the minute someone calls them...they get all wound up..(.it wasnt even that bad...first of all).....then they get al lhigh n mighty ..the nervee!!! n where does al roker get off demanding anyone get fired...he is nobody, to demand anything.. askign for someone to get fired ...i think that is prety low...why doesnt he ask that that "rev" jesse jackson n al sharpton get fired too....they are even worst than imus....as if they are perfect...hopefully soon they will get exposed for wht they reall y are...so called reverends...n no forgivness??wht religion is theirs? that it doesnt know forgiveness????????? all they do is teach hate..with that attitude they encourage...it..... well ..u know that saying..be careful what u wish for, you just might get it...pretty soon...they will be fired too...this country is geting really bad...what happened to freedom of speech? didnt those black rappers demand it? they wanted to be able to express themselves? so why cant others? yeh as long as they dont get talked about is ok..but they can talk about others....they can talk horrors about women the rappers n the comedians.....like that black chick, wannabe comedian saying ..on jay leno show..calling ..brazilians whores...she is not even funny...why can they say demeaning stuff about others ???h0w is that different from wht imus did?????wht the hell...they can demean others but no one can talk about them...this is way out of hand...people should also demand all those rappers ..wannabee singers...n wannabee comedians, get fired too....
KarmicFacilitator2000
2007-04-11 21:40:21 UTC
omg he is a shock jock he has made fun of everyone. oh and to reply about the racism comment he wasnt racist in his comment about the players. the team was black and white and also nappy= messed up hair the other comments were disrespectful to women but you know what the cosequence of freedom of speach is , is having the ability to tune things that dont please you out or turn the station off come on grow some skin
akablueeye
2007-04-11 21:02:16 UTC
Personally? since you asked....I think its much ado about nothing.



Considering all that Rosie O'Donnell shot off her mouth about in the last few weeks regarding 9/11 but yet still has her job.
anonymous
2007-04-11 20:59:53 UTC
True. I hate giving him this much publicity even more. Double ugh.
WhiteLilac1
2007-04-11 23:19:12 UTC
I stayed in all day today, and I had talk radio on. The discussion about Imus went on for - truly - the entire day from one show to the next, starting in the morning and still going on at dinner time when I shut it off. I left the radio on because I thought the subject would change, and it never did. It amazes me that this thing was kept up for so long. There are other issues in the world. If people don't like him don't listen to him, and if they want to punish him don't listen to his show.



I don't believe racism is "alive and well". I believe it is barely alive but dying. Turning one lousy remark by a person who is only an entertainer into a week long national saga can create the impression that racism is alive well when - really - the majority of people in this country probably wouldn't even really pay attention to the fact that the young women on the Rutgers team were Black.



I don't think people are necessarily stupid and hypocritical about racism either. We all tend to think other people are probably like us, so if we are not racists and don't make racist jokes because we don't even have such so-called jokes in our hearts we tend to think others are like us.



Does racism exist among ignorant people? Sure, but who cares what the ignorant think; and social pressure can be a good tool in slowing down the ignorant person's willingness to pipe off with his racism. Is racism alive and well? I don't think so. Again, I think its barely alive and in isolated situations. I think its dying, and I think the majority of Americans are willing to try to beat it to death to try to speed up the process.



The way I see it, if you imagine society as a huge, nice, lawn and imagine that racism as it exists today is like weeds in that otherwise nice lawn, you realize that if you let the weeds grow they'll ruin the lawn; so you pull them up or spray them with weed-killer when you see them. I think, though, that because a few weeds remain that you don't yet see it shouldn't mean that you fail to see the beauty of the lawn. There isn't a lot of point in focusing on the few hidden weeds and failing to see the beauty of the lawn.



As few as forty years ago the "lawn" was riddled with weeds, but today there are a few hidden ones. If we see them we need to deal with them, and maybe we have to look for them from time to time, but I think we're very close to where we'll be a weed-free lawn; so I think its wrong for national media to create the impression that the "lawn" is riddled with weeds the way it was in the past; when it just isn't. I don't see any benefit to young Black people who are just building their identity or to older Black people who may have lived through far more ignorant times in our history to create the impression that racism is a bigger problem in our country than it really is.



Perception can be reality at times, and magnifying the few "weeds" in the "lawn" and causing your Black Americans to focus on those has the potential of changing the perception they will have of the country that are growing up in. Young White Americans get to grow up focusing on the beauty of the lawn while knowing there are a few weeds to be dealt with. Young Black Americans deserve the luxury of the same thing because while perception can feel like reality, the fact is the reality is very different from the perception that the national media has created with this Imus thing; and young Black people's perception of our society in general should more involve reallity rather than a magnification of a few ugly weeds. Are the "weeds" part of the reality too? Sure - but they're a very small part of an otherwise nice "lawn" to be dealt with but not focused on; and it is a crummy thing for the national media to contribute to any young Black American's thinking that he or she has been born into a situation where the "lawn" is riddled with weeds the way it used to be.



Condoleeza Rice commented in an interview that when she was a child her parents tried to shield her from the ugliness that was going on in the South. She didn't seem to think her parents did the wrong thing. For a whole lot of young Black Americans who just might benefit from believing that with whatever they may have to deal with in their personal life maybe - just maybe - if they move out and beyond their small circle there is world where the "lawn" looks pretty nice it serves absolutely no positive purpose for national media to spend a week drumming into the heads of a lot of young people that the picture isn't any better beyond their small circle when, in fact, it is.



For the national media to harp on the lousy remark of one little guy who shouldn't matter to anyone and to magnify it to the point that it has amounts to its own form of cruelty, and cruelty directed at one group of people in our society would seem, to me, to amount to its own form of racism. If you had a young, blond-haired/blue-eyed daughter and some clown called blond-haired/blue-eyed young women "ho's" would you make sure you repeated it over and over and over again until you made sure your own daughter heard that someone called what she is a "ho"?!! I don't think so. You'd most likely forget you heard the remark and never repeat it because you wouldn't want to make your daughter feel attacked. It might have been nice if someone had bothered to attempt to protect all the young Black daughters in the country from listening to something they otherwise may not have heard; but, instead, the national media has pretty much guaranteed that all but the very youngest of girls have heard this remark. That's just "lovely". Imus was a piece of work for making such a crummy remark, but the national media is, I think, even more guilty for publicizing and magnifying it to the point that it is.







That's what I think.
el caballon
2007-04-18 17:07:28 UTC
nothing


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